2005/01/21

Great ideas don't become reality without a lot of hard work!

This post will be more for the members here but outside readers might find something in it of interest also as they try to build up their sites. My words are based on my experiences in the past year with Bouillabaisse.

Great ideas don't become reality without a lot of hard work!

I have had Bouillabaisse up for almost a year now and have managed to build up a very small readership, finally. Some actually leave a comment now and then but not often. Most help me out by linking my page. This I appreciate but I've found linking actually doesn't do much especially when the list is as long as the page. I do check links looking for other sites of interest but in viewing stats I see very few hits come from pages that carry my link. For me my blogroll is more a handy way for me to keep up with pages I like and to show support. I try to take time everyday to visit a few of the sites in my blogroll in order to show my support. If they have posted something I can relate to I leave a comment. I also link to pages that don't link me just because they have a great site. I don't link to every page that links me because this is just impossible.

I'm going to use Bible talk here but not for any religious connotation. It just makes sense. If one would have friends he must show himself friendly. I think this is in Proverbs somewhere. LOL

Bloggers come in all varieties as we know. We see sites whose style catches our eyes but content leaves us bored. We hit sites that may have great content but the page is so badly done...dark font on dark background is one example, we quickly move on.

So style and content do matter if you want to intice people to stay awhile and visit.

I find many such sites. The page is sharp. The content is interesting. I take a look at their comments and see they have no readership or at least none that feel inclined to chat. Now I can't say why each and every such blogger gets no interaction but I can guess after almost a year of blogging and investigation.

There is no one out there who is spending inordinate amounts of time working on a great template and writing out their thoughts that doesn't covet interaction. No one. Many will say they don't give a damn but this is only to make themselves feel better about the lack of attention. This blog's for me and I don't care if anyone reads it is baloney most of the time.

You want support? You have to give support. If you're an extraordinary writer you may be able to build up readers on your writing alone but even then you will be alone for a very long time unless you advertise. The blogging community is too large. Bloggers are busy. If you're like me your working on your blog's content and style along with visiting friends who have blogs, commenting and searching out other like-minded bloggers who may be interested in your blog. It's work!

As an example of what I'm talking about here is a comment I recieved at Bouillabaisse this morning. Read the last sentence carefully.

Sadly, the most in-depth article I have seen on the protests thus far was about a group of conservatives (ProtestWarriors, I believe) who were protesting the protesters, which doesn't really get the point across that people are upset with the current administration. *sigh*

Anyway, thanks for visiting my blog through BE! I'll be back to visit yours again.


I am BlogSurfing everyday literally for hours for both blogs. WhyNot tries to do a bit also but he's the maintenance man. He spent hours yesterday setting up the new commenting system. First thing this morning he finds there's a problem with one of the scripts on the page etc. etc.

There are several ideas behind this blog. Two heads (or more) are better than one. Someone said recently most of the time they felt like a gnat on an elephant's ass. I think this describes it perfectly. We are stronger as a group. Too many times good workers burn out just from trying to carry the whole load alone.

We have a mission. We are not blogging because it's fun although it can be at times. We were selective about the people we asked to join this group. More than likely we will ask others to join in the future. There is strength in numbers. I actually have an idea about asking a certain Conservative blogger who I have a lot of respect for, not with the idea of conversion but discussion.

Trying to bring this to and end let me repeat..we are on a mission that has a better chance of success because we are a group, but it will take a lot of effort and time from all of us. Visit other sites when you can leaving comments and the url to the page.
Most importantly, support one another. I will visit every members personal site each week and comment. You can count on my doing this at least once each week and more often if I have the time. I have added all of your personal sites plus this one to Bouillabaisse.

WhyNot and I are excited about this site. We think the idea is a great one but realize if we aren't willing to make a lot of effort we will end up with just another group of people spinning back and forth to themselves. This is not what we want. I have seen other political bloggers out there who have had the same idea but have ended up preaching to the choir. I don't intend to let this happen here.

Great ideas don't become reality without a lot of hard work!

If I've missed something please say it in the comments. Thanks to all of you for joining hands with us. We picked you for a reason and have confidence in your abilities.

20 Comments:

Yes M'am, I hear ya!

How 'bout ya'll boys and gals? Got the message? Go get to work! Now!
Seriously though: if we all spend of bit of time each day visiting other sites, leaving comments, cruising blog explosion to give us focus, we will grow. Dianne's Bouillabaise site's recent popularity didn't fall out of the sky, it came from her spending hours every day looking for an audience.

Naturally, most of us can't spend 10 hours a day on this task, like she does. But if we each spend one hour, it will bear its fruits in the long run. Even passively doing the blog explosion thing in the background has its non-negligeable role. BTW, I must sent you all the address of the banner - I'll do that via email. 

Posted by whynot
1/21/2005 11:55:00 am  
Sorry, I didn't mean this to come off as commanding. LOL I just feel strongly about what we're doing and think everyone here does as well. SB's comment this morning made me realize again that we can't take attention to the site as a given. I do realize everyone doesn't have the time to put into this as I do. But, every little bit helps. I'll stop now. :)

 

Posted by Dianne
1/21/2005 01:17:00 pm  
Here is a great example of wonderful writing with no comments. John Hess is a veteran newspaperman and has written several books. I imagine this man is one example of someone not looking for interaction. I'm certain he would have no problems exposing his work if he wanted to and obviously has chosen not to do so. He writes for his own pleasure I suppose. It's really good stuff but I wonder who sees it? I found him quite by accident doing a Google search.

check him out...

http://www.johnlhess.blogspot.com/

 

Posted by Dianne
1/21/2005 02:51:00 pm  
Thank you WhyNot and Dianne for inviting me into your world. I hope I can do you justice and bring a helpfull new voice to our cause. I believe that your eunique mixture of ideas and goals will bring about a seed of progress that we can all fertalize with the food of thought.
I am proud to be included.
 

Posted by Bill Snyder
1/21/2005 03:37:00 pm  
Good post, Dianne. Yes, I agree it takes a lot of work and will again to get Porquoi Pas off the ground and read by many, many people. I wonder if we might possibly get reviewed by a bigger site someday, after we have a few good readers.

I'll try to browse other blogs as well, although I really only like browsing conservative blogs because they get me excited and give me somethning to write about. While I'll try and comment on other blogs to draw attention to Porquoi Pas, I think I'll try and stick mostly to writing articles--it's easier for me with my schedule (I have several going at once, and can take a couple days to finish them, so as to have roughly one per day... although this doesn't always work out as planned).

Thanks for this opportunity, Dianne and WhyNot. Porquoi Pas will not only be a good way to get our message out, but also our names. 

Posted by starchybean
1/21/2005 03:55:00 pm  
Bill, you just made our group better. I have appreciated your thoughts on tblog and am so pleased that you have joined us. I will be satisfied with a seed of progress. Thank you :) 

Posted by Dianne
1/21/2005 04:24:00 pm  
Whatever you can do will always be appreciated SB. Hey, leave our link on Conservative blogs. They're more than welcome here especially if they want to discuss the issues.  

Posted by Dianne
1/21/2005 04:28:00 pm  
To Bill:

"I am proud to be included".

We're proud to have you part of the team, Bill. Thank you for joining. 

Posted by whynot
1/21/2005 04:48:00 pm  
I truely am not worthy of your praise, but I hope to do it justice. My views are changing on a daily basis and how I comment is changing as well. I havn't abandoned the cause, only changed my approach. The world is a mess because to many of us as individuals allow ourselves to be conjoled into thinking that failier is actually success, and that lies are the truth. We manage to lie to ourselves on a moment to moment basis about reality and how we live it and precieve it.
No more lies, I confess, I am as fucked up as many of those I preach to, my only claim to fame is that I admit it. And, I am determined to change that about me starting right now.
I am poor, but poverty suites me, I am more comfortable with the people I care for, than the rich and successfull.
I am not always honest with myself, and therefore not with others, but I do deeply believe in what I preach, and will make every effort to become what I hope to see others become.
I sometimes say I love you when I don't realy mean it. That is a personality flaw, I won't utter those words again unless I truely mean them within my heart.
Sometimes I cry, because futility seems to be the stronger combatant in the world, but I'm to stubern to give up, hope is a real thing to me. I wont let it go.
I fear fame, because it brings scruteny, and I am imperfect, and don't want the world to know it. So now you do.
I feel real pain when I think about the hungry people of the world, because I am afraid that I won't be able to help them with my limited abilities. I wont stop trying.
Sometimes I spout off wonderous words that are only noise, because I know what reality is, and it isn't replaced by wonderous words. Always though contained within those words are true caring and hope.
So as a good Catholic may exit the confessional feeling better about self, I have unburdened myself on you. Strangers that hear my crys for change and say they are good.
I am truely unworthy, but give me the chance and I will earn my worthyness through actions.
This time I say it with meaning and belief, I love you all. 

Posted by Bill Snyder
1/22/2005 03:04:00 pm  
Dear Bill,

I don't know what to say to this very moving confession. It's powerful and one I'm sure is true for all of us. Thanks so much.

Dianne 

Posted by Dianne
1/22/2005 04:26:00 pm  
Bill, I'm moved to tears.

Why? Because your plight to be a real human being is one that is so rarely seen, and is so uplifting for others who are trying to do the same. And when we other souls who are similarly struggling so hard to be ultimately honest, honest with ourselves as well as with this planet,witness it, then we recognize a vibrant testimony of the incredible struggle it is. And it brings up all the inner battles that are forever going on inside ourselves.

It's ok to lie, Bill. Nobody doesn't lie. I lie. In fact, I lie most of the time. Hell, Mother Theresa, I'm sure, lied her ass off if it could help her squeezing a few more dollars/euros out of the Indian Gov to save lifes of kids who were dying of thirst, hunger and illnesses.

I guess there is a difference with lying for one's selfish purpose. But even then, there are many degrees. Nothing is just black and white, only mathematics. Perhaps the most important thing, I believe anyway, is to manage NOT to lie to oneself. Once you get to a reasonable degree there, then the rest falls into place. I mean: once you know that you CANNOT escape from your own conscience, then your interaction with other ppl and the planet is *nearly* easy - there are times to lie because it's for the best interest of everybody, and times to stand up and say the truth, again for the same reason. But it's all relatively easy because your real devil's advocate is YOURSELF, within you, and he is the judge of when it is ok to bend the truth vis à vis the rest of the world.

Don't worry, you're not alone. I struggle just the same as you do. Yes your cries are good for they make you feel just like I do everyday - as you say, having the guts to unload to others, good lil catholic / confessional and all that. It's not so silly after all, when it's really meant from the heart. Hell, you know how good a catholic *I* am now, LOL, so if I think it's got its merit, then I must mean it. The REAL difference is that when I was a kid and confessed, I didn't mean it. Now, I don't need a confessional nor a priest - I confess to myself, and there is no fooling the *priest* here.

"I feel real pain when I think about the hungry people of the world, because I am afraid that I won't be able to help them with my limited abilities. I wont stop trying.".

That's what many ppl also feel, Bill. The REAL ppl, I mean. Dianne and I hardly have the stomach to watch the news on TV at 8pm, so distressing they are. I don't think one day goes by without me crying about the misery in this world.

My remedy to sanity is laughter. It's also my shield, which protects me from going totally insane or falling into a lump of despair. This is why I often post satires. Also why I posted that Russian Ice Festival pics - just seeing beautiful things in life, just like humor, is one of my defense mechanisms.

Each has to find his own. I'm very sensitive and particularly vulnerable, emotionally, but perhaps for others, they can more easily face the music without having to recourse to *tricks* like I do. I don't know.

"I am truely unworthy, but give me the chance and I will earn my worthyness through actions.
This time I say it with meaning and belief, I love you all.
.

You are not only NOT unworthy, Bill, you are more worthy than most ppl I have ever met. I'm certainly no better than you. So quit saying that, or I'll start feeling like one big pile of worthless shit, LOL.

And I love you too, Bill.
Your friend,
Philippe. 

Posted by whynot
1/22/2005 04:48:00 pm  
WhyNot, you always make me proud and I love you. 

Posted by Dianne
1/22/2005 05:19:00 pm  
Dianne. I appreciate your comment. I am not sure if you are calling me a racist or not. But, out of all of the visitors comments and posts you would be the first one to call me that. You certainly chose a strange post to make that point with. I barley said anything in that post (Even the comments I don't think had anything that can't be backed up but I will have to look). It was a Reuters article pointing everything out titled "Holocaust lessons meet Muslim rebuff in France." Now how do hold me responsible for it's content. I did not target any group what so ever in that comment. It was a Reuters article about the treatment of Jews in France .

The first paragraph of the article read.

""Filthy Jew!" schoolchildren howl at a classmate. "Jews only want money and power," they tell their teachers. "Death to the Jews" graffiti appear on school walls outside Paris and other French cities."

Does that bother you? I am Jewish, it bothers me. Should I just ignore it. Pretend noone says anything like this. That is what happened in the '30's (It wasn’t exposed until it was to late). No, I choose to expose if for what it is. What is it in your opinion? What part of my comment to do you find most reprehensible? How does it advance the discussion to insinuate I am a racist (when this is a religious issue, but racist is so much more inflammatory which is why you must have chosen that word).
Are you not aware of the Jewish cemeteries being defaced in Europe, the temples being fire bombed there. The Jewish people getting beat up because of the way they look. Are you saying that it is extremely rare? If so, so are Jewish people in Europe. The amount of incidents against Jewish people are out of proportion. I will not ignore it.

Now that I look at your comment again I think are even more odd since I was trading comments with a guy who was saying it is O.K. to target Jews world wide and not only didn't I loose my cool, but I didn't say anything that was targeting any other group what so ever. So I have to ask you to point out my comments in that post that you find so unreasonable. Please nothing taken out of context. I am serious. I understand you don’t agree with me, but I truly don’t know what you are refering to specifically. I hope you respond. Thank you. 

Posted by gindy
1/23/2005 09:25:00 pm  
Gindy...

Why does almost every rightwing site I land on and the US media today seem to be filled with hatred for the French? Answer this one for me. If you say it's not so I will begin to collect the proof and we can meet again.

Is this the first article you've put on your site about France being racist or are they a regular part of the menu?

One would think racism is happening only in France to read US news and rightwing blogs. I've actually had these freaks come to my personal blog and call me every foul name you could possible imagine. One of the links on your site leads to Cao's blog. A real beauty of fascism, nationalism and hatred all done up in a pretty package of Godly love and patriotism.

Can you from these words I've said know why I posted my comment on your site now? If not let me give it to you another way.

The title to your blog:

Is France Returning To It's Hateful Past?.

Your leadin which, correct me if I'm wrong, look to be your words.

What was France like for Jews just prior to the Nazi era? In many respects it was pretty much like it is today. Read this one. It is worth it..

Your ending quote:

The article just talks about Muslim prejudices and hatred toward Jews. But, if you ask me, I would say the problem is much greater than that. I found this on Kerckhoff Coffeehouse. Article HERE.The comment I left on your blog:

At 4:44 AM, Dianne said...
This is the kind of thing that promotes racism and hate around the world. When will people get their fill of it. I've lived in 5 different parts of France and in fact still live there. Racism is seen here the same way it's seen everywhere, on television...meaning it's not common. The racism we see is against both Jews, Muslims and Christians. It's, except for a very small minority in the poorer Arab sections carried about by Neo-Nazi groups. They cross the border from Germany who will not allow them to gather without fear of arrest. French laws are not as strict so they come here to carry out their hateful crimes. It makes the news and voila, the news from America is France is full of racist.

Looking at your links I can now see what you are all about. That's a shame. From reading your comments on another blog you seemed like a nice enough person. At least you speak well. But your message is clear however nicely spoken. Au Revoir
.

Did I call you a racist? No, anyone that knows me will tell you when I make up my mind to that I will have no problems saying so. But, from your links especially the one I spoke of it's easy to see you have no problems supporting racist. Are you a racist?

Now, as for my thoughts on Isrealis and Palestinians well that's not hard to figure out. Look at the top of this page. It says our nationality is mankind. I will leave you to figure this out. But, if you can't have a look at my personal site. This will surely clear it up. http://diannemaire.tblog.com/

Mr. Gindy, I have had my fill of racism. As a Jew one would think you would also.

 

Posted by Dianne
1/23/2005 11:35:00 pm  
"Is this the first article you've put on your site about France being racist or are they a regular part of the menu? "

It's the weirdest thing. But, I don't have any posts talking about French and race. Preriod. I have no idea what you are talking about. Quote me. French and race. That is what you are saying I am starting to wonder what your deal is.

"I've actually had these freaks come to my personal blog and call me every foul name you could possible imagine."

I have not gone to your blog and attacked personally like you are doing to me. I resent you trying to group me in with these phantom rightwingers. If you have something against what I said fine. But, don't hold me responsible for others words. That is the same unfounded sterotyping that you are trying to accuse me of. I am a Democrat. If you want to call me a Republican fine. You can stereotype all you want I guess.

"One of the links on your site leads to Cao's blog"

This a brand new blog to me. I just added it. Ask me what I think of it in a month after I have had time to review it. So far I read an article about Naziism and socialism and a post on the Fairtax which I am a big fan of. If you disagree fine , tell him about it. I am not him.

"Can you from these words I've said know why I posted my comment on your site now? "

I know why. I just think you are wrong.

"Your leadin which, correct me if I'm wrong, look to be your words.

What was France like for Jews just prior to the Nazi era? In many respects it was pretty much like it is today. Read this one. It is worth it.. "

That is what I said. Let's examine what the FRENCH news service Reuters has to say:

""Filthy Jew!" schoolchildren howl at a classmate. "Jews only want money and power," they tell their teachers. "Death to the Jews" graffiti appear on school walls outside Paris and other French cities.

These are not scenes from the wartime Nazi occupation or a fictional France where the far-right has taken control. Outright anti-Semitism like this is a fact of life these days in the poor suburbs where much of France's Muslim minority lives.

After a slow response when this "new anti-Semitism" flared four years ago, France has made fighting prejudice against Jews into a national priority. Holocaust education in state schools now starts with pupils as young as nine years old.

But even the best plans for teaching about the Nazi massacre of Jews can fall short when confronted with an Islamic identity spreading among a minority of France's five million Muslims."

As a Jew whose family has been scattered to the four corners of the earth by anti-semitism, how do you expect me to feel. That this is just some sort of misunderstanding. I want to see huge protests against this kind of Anti-Semitism. I want to see French men and women hitting the streets in droves expressing their disgust. The kind of protest they direct towards America. I want to see something more than the token, "This is not acceptable". I barley see anything. Maybe there are articles I missed because I am in America and you can point them out to me. I would appreciate that. But, until then, I draw my conclusions from the articles I have seen.

"But, if you ask me, I would say the problem is much greater than that."

That's right. I don't see any serious condemnation. The problem I see is the willingness to look the other way or make excuses for those causing the terror against Jews. For instance, because of the Israeli Palestinian problem Jews world wide just need to understand they are targets for abuse. You are talking about me and my family just having to accept this behavior.

"But, from your links especially the one I spoke of it's easy to see you have no problems supporting racist. Are you a racist?"

You say "Did I call you a racist?" as if you didn't and then you turn around and say "Are you a racist?" I am now ready to ask you the same question. ARE YOU DAINNE AN ANTI-SEMITE. I don't really think you are. But, it sure easy to throw around baseless insults isn't it. Maybe you should throw in some facts with those insults. Is Dianne an anti-semite? Wow it sure feels good to attack people. Quote me on the racist statement you CLAIM I make. You are just pulling this crap out of thin air. Quote me and not out of context which is an old trick.

"Mr. Gindy, I have had my fill of racism."

First you say that you didn't call me racist and then you insinuate that I am a racist again.

"Mr. Gindy, I have had my fill of racism. As a Jew one would think you would also."

But, i honestly think something is wrong with you here. You still haven't laid out one fact. You just call me names, sterotype me by lumping me in with other phantom groups and hold me accountable for words others have said. Your husband got hot at me but I understand what he was saying. You are basing your hate (Very hateful for a peace lover like yourself) for me and my kind I guess on nothing. Someone else said this so Gindy must think that also.

POINT OUT ONE RACIST STATEMENT I MADE IN THE POST YOU ARE CRYING ABOUT. I POINT OUT ANTI-SEMITISM IN FRANCE AND YOU BLAME THE JEW FOR POINTING IT OUT. THAT IS ALL I SEE. YOU INSINUATE I AM A RACIST AND CAN'T ATTRIBUTE A RACIST STATEMENT. WHAT IS YOUR DEAL?

For the record half the commentors on my site are left of center. Some extremely left. You are the only one to attack me and not my ideas. I would say it is beneath you. But, I maybe wrong
 

Posted by gindy
1/24/2005 10:13:00 am  
"But, i honestly think something is wrong with you here. You still haven't laid out one fact.".

Well, the thing is that what YOU claim to have laid as facts is actually massive ignorance of the reality. You obviously know nothing of what's going here, and because the insanely biased US media is all you get, and because there is massive racist anti-french feelings reaching congenital levels, you get a totally distorted and abysmally ignorant picture of the reality.

For instance:

"I want to see huge protests against this kind of Anti-Semitism. I want to see French men and women hitting the streets in droves expressing their disgust. The kind of protest they direct towards America".

It obviously doesn't hit your news, but it is exactly what happens, country wide, everytime there is an incident. Only a few short months ago, some young Jew woman carrying a baby was assaulted in a train by a bunch of young muslim thugs. The entire country was mobilized, marches in every city. Chirac and Rafarin personally took the matter in hand and harrased our Interior minister to go all out to find the culprits. Chirac made a speech on prime time national TV dedicated to it. In this particular case, it turned out to be a fake: the woman was never attacked by anybody and had herself drawn a swastika on her own belly as a *proof* of the attack.

I yet have to see a nation-wide search in the US when some French dude claims to have been attacked by racists mongrels, let alone see Bush making a special speech on TV about it.

But that's not the important point. The important point is that real incidents do happen, and when they do, they attract 100 times more attention and outrage than *ordinary* violence - meaning not anti-semite one. In fact, it is nearly grotesque: for every anti-semite incident here, there must be 1000 non racially based murders, and all of them combined hardly make the news coverage nor spark of a nation wide reaction a rabbi assaulted does.

As to "the kind of protests directed against America", I'm falling on my ass here. Your ignorance of the reality is reaching out of this world proportions. The only time I see protests of this kind are when Bush gets his smelly ass over to Europe. And by and large, our UK neighbors are a lot more vocal than we are. Besides, you don't understand: the protests are not anti-american, they are anti-war.

There are no anti-american feelings in the population here. None. In fact, anything American is as cool and fashionable here as it has ever been, Nothing has changed, in spite of the disgusting racist anti-french frenzy that is sweeping America. We have never had American-bashing radio or TV shows. We've never had any comedians making fun of America. On the main nation-wide TV channels, even at the beginning of the Iraq war, there has never been ONE slight nor derogatory comment about America, And never been one since. Nearly every day, the Iraq war comes up in the national news because of some new incident there, and once again, it is always reported in a fair and totally non-judgmental manner.

To claim there is wide-spread anti-america feeling here is fictitious bullshit, period. Bullshit created mostly by the US propaganda machine. Don't worry, we get CNN, faux News, MSNBC, etc via satellite here, and we know what you guys get fed. Pity for you ppl you don't get an English translation of the Fr channels. You might start opening your eyes to the reality.

If you want to see unchecked rampant and very vocal racism, look no further than your home. Cruise around BlogExplosion: the number of openly racist anti-french blogs is something to be believed. Complete with insults after insults, death threats, links to a multitude of websites along the "fuckfrance.com" line.

France is one of the countries with the largest number of expat US citizens. Over 150,000 in Paris alone, tons more down on the Riviera where I live. And everywhere else. Why don't you find some on the internet and ask them? 

Posted by WhyNot
1/24/2005 12:13:00 pm  
I don't think anyone will miss the insinuations you make in your leadin and closing of the article. I certainly don't. FRANCE IS OVERFLOWING WITH RACIST! I said exactly what I meant. Articles such as that one especially including the leadin you gave it are fodder for racism no matter what person or news service is responsible. Read WhyNot's latest article.

Nowhere in my comment to you did I say you had visited my blog or accuse you of being involved in the racist comments there.

This a brand new blog to me. I just added it. Ask me what I think of it in a month after I have had time to review it..

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one. We obviously do things differently. No one gets advertisement on my blog until I have throughly reviewed them. I also check my links regularly to see what the owner is doing and have been known to remove links from my site if such site has changed for one reason or another. I removed a site last week that does very good work in many areas but for some reason had begun classifying all Muslims as terrorist.

I went to the trouble after seeing your previous comment to go to your site and get what was needed to show exactly what was going on. This obviously did no good as far as you're concerned. So, if you want to believe I'm calling you a racist go for it. I think any reading our exchange will see that I have said no such thing. Again, I was very clear in saying *the article* gave a one-sided and in my opinion a racist view of France. Your words The article just talks about Muslim prejudices and hatred toward Jews. But, if you ask me, I would say the problem is much greater than that..opin France is even more racist than this article states. No innuendo about it.

ARE YOU DAINNE AN ANTI-SEMITE.

I have been accused of being anti-Semite, anti-Muslim, anti-American. Extremist are all for freedom of choice as long as you choose them.

It matters not to me that you are a Democrat. I am not. I'm a US registered Independent. Not being a French citizen yet I am not a registered member of any party here but for the moment I lean with the Socialist Party.

There is no doubt I am less tolerant than others out there. I reached my tolerance threshold long ago. I abhor racism, nationalism and much more with a vengeance. I'm thankful there are others more diplomatic than myself. I wish them well. I use to be one of their kind. It no longer works for me. I carry a big stick with me now wherever I go and when I see abuse or injustice anywhere I hit as hard as I can. This of course has it's rewards as WhyNot will be the first to tell you. I draw racist and hatemongers like honey does the flies. C'est la vie.

I will at some point today visit your blog and have a closer look around in order to get a clearer picture of who you are and what your message is for the sake of this conversation.



I am Dianne Maire and I approved this message.
 

Posted by Dianne
1/24/2005 12:26:00 pm  
Giny,

"I have not gone to your blog and attacked personally like you are doing to me. I resent you trying to group me in with these phantom rightwingers".

Dianne has suffered racism, and in the most vicious of violent ways, most of her life in the US. She copped it from the Blacks because she is white, and she copped it 10 times worse from the Whites for daring live in a black community. She has huge scars from it, and has no patience left in her to endure even the mildest expression of racism.

You wonder where you made a racist comment and keep asking her to quote you? Well she did. I'll requote her response here:

The title to your blog:

Is France Returning To It's Hateful Past?.

Your leadin which, correct me if I'm wrong, look to be your words.

What was France like for Jews just prior to the Nazi era? In many respects it was pretty much like it is today. Read this one. It is worth it..

Your ending quote:

The article just talks about Muslim prejudices and hatred toward Jews. But, if you ask me, I would say the problem is much greater than that. I found this on Kerckhoff Coffeehouse. Article HERE
You perhaps don't think it's racist, right? I agree it is not *blatant* hateful racism. But it is racism nevertheless. Oh I realize it doesn't strike as such, so let me explain:

The title itself is already not very nicely formulated. In normal circumstances there would be nothing wrong with it, but in view of the frantic widespread racist anti-french sentiments in the US, it is a rather misleading title which all the nutcases will just love to get excited over. A more judicious title would have been: "Is hateful anti-semitism going on a rampage in France", or something along the line. Equating a "Country" with a "hateful problem" may seem pedantic to you, but let me assure you it's not. It is exactly how dumb and blind indiscriminate racism and xenophobia begin and sow their ugly message.

Your introduction to the quoted article is not racist, but ignorantly judgmental and inequitable. You already pass a judgement even though you are inviting the readers to make up their own minds. You pose a valid question to the reader, and in one short sentence already give the answer. And I say *ignorantly* because all your inputs come from one side, and as it turns out, your perception of the reality is galaxies away from the actual truth. You go all out to zoom in on articles denouncing racial incidents but don't have the faintest about their scale within the French society, and even complain about the lack of response by the population, simply because you don't even know it exists.

In the end, your article is not exactly racist, but it's a juicy pear for engendering racism. I'm not myself really upset about it, but I haven't been at the wrong end of the racist stick like Dianne has.

You are obnubilated with anti-jew issues woldwide, and fair enough since you're a jew. But your concern with racism stops there. That in itself is a question: does one's only interest in the issue of one nation or race not constitute a mild form of racism? Far fetched? Perhaps. All I know for sure is that any form of racism is equally abhorrent to me, and I don't place the value or importance of one nation or race higher in the scale of things.

Besides, I'm always on the side of the underdog. And anti-arab issues in France are a lot more pressing, active, and wide-spread than anti-jew ones. 

Posted by WhyNot
1/24/2005 12:58:00 pm  
Oh this is gold. Absolute gold. I never thought the explaination would be this good.

"HERE You perhaps don't think it's racist, right? I agree it is not *blatant* hateful racism. But it is racism nevertheless. Oh I realize it doesn't strike as such, so let me explain:"

O.K. here you use the word racist. A super charged word that should only be used when it is true. Great. Then you go into convoluted story and about how there is some new race called French. You are aware that French, is not a race right?

Then later you say it is not exactly racist. What are you talking about? A complete reversal. Also, you don't think other people have experienced prejudice. The amazing part is you use the R word like it is free then admit it wasn't racist. Except you say not exactly. Whatever that means:

"In the end, your article is not exactly racist, but it's a juicy pear for engendering racism."

Then you say:

"You are obnubilated with anti-jew issues woldwide, and fair enough since you're a jew. But your concern with racism stops there"

How do you know where my concern stops? You never even asked? As usual you just made that up. Quote me. Since your first example of my racism was so far off the mark I can’t wait the one for this one.

I’ve got a question. WHO SAID THIS:

"I am far left and although I have visitors to my blog that will deal harshly with rightwing zealots I do try to keep it to a low growl. Try visiting a rightwing blog and pointing out a real error they have made giving your source. I have and can tell you I've been called every name in the list and banned from commenting although I never curse or use bad language."

Every name on the list. Why don't you pull together all of the name you two used for my because I disagree. This person is a hypocrite. I am pointing out her error. French is not a race. Will she admit that in a cool way. She seems to treats people the way she complains about being treated. Isn't this ironic. Read it and read her comments about me. Read it and read MY COMMENTS on my site. You tell me who fits who in that paragraph.

WHO SAID THIS:

"It's the biggest danger by far, and I have a feeling that it's taking place partly because of some predispositions (meaning lots of ppl who for decades have held back cuz the political climate didn't allow them to come out with their view in a *cool* way),........................"

Is that what you are doing. Allowing a point of view to be expressed in a cool way. If I don't agree with you I must be a racist. A French racist no better.

The amazing thing is that all of your nonsence is based on the fact that French is somehow it's own race. If Jews get beaten in France don't point it out or you are a racist against France.

BUT here is my favorite quote:
"And anti-arab issues in France are a lot more pressing, active, and wide-spread than anti-jew ones."

Isn't this making my point. Don't worry about the abuses on the Jews when we can worry about something else. Did you read that article or did you get hung up on the title and your false claims of racism. Is still haven't seen a racist quote. Not a real one at least. Please reread the article again.



HERE IS THE REST just so it's not taken out of context.
and partly because the great Bush propaganda machine actually manages to instill this culture change. So that, like you say, loss of freedom of speech doesn't appear to be directly ordered by the authorities, but is simply the voice of the masses." 

Posted by gindy
1/25/2005 04:14:00 am  
You are aware that French, is not a race right?.

hehheh It was only a matter of time before we heard this one WhyNot. Remind you of someone?

Gindy, thou doest protest to much a thing that has not actually been said. It's also very obvious you are in a state of desperation. Your attempt at distortion failed miserable.

Gindy said:
Every name on the list. Why don't you pull together all of the name you two used for my because I disagree. This person is a hypocrite..

Please list the names I have called you here. My comment to you on your blog is already posted here for readers to make their own judgement. I have made no other. I have even been kind enough not to call you a hypocrite.







 

Posted by Dianne
1/25/2005 11:59:00 am  

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